So the scenario that I'm wondering about (not trying to be difficult, just curious)... Runner at 2nd and 3rd... hit to SS and a slow batter-runner.... SS tags 2nd who was advancing unforced and the runner at 3rd had a nice lead and is fast. The runner from third crosses home before the forced out at 1st...

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    How many outs before the play?
    – Philip Kendall
    Jul 18, 2018 at 5:09
  • Interesting variation: the runner from 2nd isn't tagged out, but scores before being declared out on appeal for failing to touch 3rd. (To make this plausible, let's say the batter actually had an apparent single to right field, but stumbled out of the box and was thrown out by the right fielder.)
    – chepner
    Jul 24, 2018 at 19:30

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The run doesn't count.

No run may score on an inning-ending play in which the third out is a force out or on the batter before he reaches first base. Put in other words, force outs count before runs are scored.

You can read about "fourth out" to understand the logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_out

In a situation where a third "non-forced" out is made AFTER a runner crosses home plate, the defense team can try a fourth "forced" out to prevent the run from scoring.

So any forced out counts before a run is scored.

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