# Why is a 4-2-5 defense named as such?

I was watching a Bleacher Report video. In the video breaking down the TAMU-SC opener game, the narrator said, "Thanks to the abundance of linebacking talent, [SC] are looking to move to more of a 3-4 than their traditional 4-2-5."

I understand the 3-4, but in looking at the 4-2-5 defense online, I can't make heads or tails out of why a defense would be called 4-2-5.

Bonus points for anyone who can explain this defensive numbering system in a way so that the concept can be applied to other formations.

For the defense, there are three zones: the line (ends and tackles), behind the line (linebackers) and the backfield (cornerbacks and safetys.) The x-y-z defenese refers to the number of men on the line, linebackers and backfield respectively, that is 4-2-5.

The confusion arises from the fact that the "3-4" defense is really the 3-4-(4), and likewise the "4-3" is really the 4-3-(4).That is to say the the "4" is omitted in the above defensive descriptions because that is a normal number of backfielders.

The 4-2-5 is written out as such because 5 is an unusual number of backfielders. This formation is used in college football against a "passing" team, and in "pro" football in "sure" (e.g. third and long) passing situations. The defense is saying that they don't mind giving up say, a five yard run in order to stop the pass.

There were a bunch of older formations, such as the 6-2-3, or the 5-3-3, until these line-oriented defenses got beaten by passes. The only thing they have in common is that x+y+z all add up to 11, the number of players each team has on the football field.

• This is the clearest answer to me, defining the line, behind the line and the backfield was especially useful. Thanks! Aug 29, 2014 at 20:15
• One note: a defense you might hear about relating to the 1985 Bears, the "46", is not a 4-6-1 or any variant thereof, but is named for Doug Plank, number 46, who played strong safety and was a favorite of Buddy Bell, the defensive coordinator who came up with the system.
– Joe
Oct 27, 2014 at 14:40
• Because of the spread, 4-2-5 is becoming a base defense (TCU?) along with 3-3-5. Jan 8, 2015 at 16:16
• @JeffO as is the 2-4-5 in the NFL. Green Bay is a 3-4 team on paper, but they're in the 2-4-5 Nickel much more often.
– kuhl
Sep 8, 2017 at 2:03
• @kuhl - I also think hybrid defenders are becoming more common. Example: larger DB who can move up and play LB or a LB capable of putting his hand down and rushing the passer. If most of your opponents are pass heavy, and/or because of a high scoring offense like Green Bay, they find themselves behind, a team may find themselves in Nickle more often than not. Sep 15, 2017 at 17:22

Generally in defensive formations they are listed "downline men - linebackers - defensive backs*" (*defensive backs are not usually listed, 4-2-5 is an exception).

So in 4-2-5, you have 4 down linemen, 2 linebackers and 5 defensive backs in this setup. This is a setup where you are expecting the pass, and have confidence in your linemen to get pressure on the quarter back.

A 4-2-5 is mostly regularly played in college where spread offenses are very common and you need more defensive backs to combat the prolific passing game. However, on long third down situations, this is also a fairly common defense in pro football. For instance, one version of this formation is the one you will hear referred to as the "Nickel Package.", in which you have 3 corner backs and 2 safeties. However, there are other version of this defense played in the NFL where you will have 3 safeties and 2 corners.

While it can be viable as an every down defense in college it is relegated to situational football in pro defenses in favor of more traditional 3-4 or 4-3 setups.

• The designation 4-2-5 is more generic than Nickel. Nickel implies a third cornerback while 4-2-5 may also mean that a team is fielding a third safety. Defenses from the Buddy Ryan coaching tree (his sons Rex and Rob Ryan, Mike Pettine) uses a third safety a fair amount of time.
– lsdr
Aug 28, 2014 at 19:39